Top 10 Facts About Men Going Their Own Way MGTOW

Top 10 Things You Should Know About Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)

Men Going Their Own Way, a group commonly referred to as MGTOW, is a group of men who reject the hegemony of women at some level. As a whole, there are certain laws that members believe in. Each of these things is designed to help instil the autonomy and self-determination that these men want or need.

MGTOW is one of the most controversial groups on the Internet. They are not a terrorist group, they do not have regular meetings, and they do not get together to collectively target specific people. However, their beliefs are in direct contrast to the burgeoning feminist movement. This makes the group a target of both hate and misunderstanding.

Feminism has grown in influence over the last few decades. It is the result of the acceptance that women have been treated badly, or as second-class citizens, throughout history. It fuels change and inspires both men and women to do better in treating people equally.

MGTOW contrast the work of feminists intentionally. Many websites specifically state that members cannot be affiliated with feminism in anyway. This is because the beliefs of this group undermine feminist beliefs completely.

MGTOW, along with men’s rights groups, believe that femininity has changed for the worse. Most of these men have either struggled with poor or abusive relationships or are socially awkward and cannot get into a relationship at all.

But, whether you believe that women are fully fledged people who deserve rights and recognition or that women are designed to cook dinner and bear children, here are the top 10 things you should know about Men Going Their Own Way.

  1. Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) Is a Movement for Men Who Want to Reject Society’s Expectations

Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) reject societal expectations like men's subjugation to marriage
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) reject societal expectations like men’s subjugation to marriage

MGTOW says that men are expected by both society and women to work hard to become the perfect mate. The group believes in sovereignty for modern men by allowing them to choose their own destiny. Instead of taking a job that asks everything of them to support a woman who also asks everything from them, these men choose self-determination and autonomy by rejecting the societal requirement find and commit to a single mate.

Men involved in MGTOW believe that they should not be forced to do so much work only to be treated as a disposable thing by women. MGTOW is a rejection of marriage and a boycott against women. However, it is more than just a group of men who refuse to engage in relationships with the opposite sex.

The idea of MGTOW is supposed to demonstrate that the relationships between men and women are evolving. It is also designed to recognize the real, or perceived nature of women. It believes that relationships like the institution of marriage are over-sold and over-prioritized in today’s society.

Essentially, the men of GTOW reject the mating and dating rituals that they find to be abusive and manipulative. These men describe the experience of dating as a financial transaction in which they spend a huge amount of resources to receive a reward that is mediocre at best.

  1. Men Going Their Own Way Are Not Men’s Rights Activists (MRAs)

Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) reject sexy, sexy feminism
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) reject sexy, sexy feminism

MGTOW has little to nothing to do with the political activity that Men’s Rights Activists engage in. MRAs work to achieve goals like cutting government funding for abuse programs that include women but not men.

Beyond this, MGTOW do not like to be referred to collectively as MRAs. They believe that just because neither group wants to live under the tyranny of women does not make them the same type of group.

There are certain points where they agree. Both movements are a reaction to a growing and more encompassing feminism. However, men going their own way describe themselves not as a collective group but as an individual lifestyle choice.

The group says that everything that members need to know is clear within their name. When men go their own way, they can go whatever way they like. It is not a collective way. This is visible in the number of levels that exist within the group. Some men simply lament their previous relationships with women while others swear off of almost all interpersonal relationships that are not necessary for survival.

  1. Men Going Their Own Way Are Not Pick-Up Artists (PUAs)

Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) are not the same as pick up artists or PUAs
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) are not the same as pick up artists or PUAs

MGTOW and pick-up artists are very different groups of people. On the surface, a pick-up artist operates within a completely different theoretical framework as MGTOW. For pick-up artists, life is about going through as many women as possible. Some PUAs are all about playing the game; others are overcompensating for a period of shyness earlier in the life. Some PUAs are out to find a long-term partner but have no other method than pick-up artistry in achieving in their goals.

Pick-up artists are rarely accused of hating women like MGTOW are. Pick-up artists are accused of not respecting women or of manipulating women and accusing them of hatred of the oppose sex is a stretch for most people. However, disrespect is often equated with emotional violence in the game and so these accusations are uncommon but possible.

For a pick-up artists, the game is a source of fun and a means of reaching an end. The types of men involved in pick-up artistry vary more than they do in MGTOW. This is because the game is not just for men who have been burned. Men with varying successes with women will get involved in pick-up artistry.

Pick-up artists may be keenly aware of the social disparities between men and women that MGTOW and MRAs are so passionate about. But they do not let these thoughts get in the way with their relationships with women.

  1. MGTOW Say That They Realize That Women Are Complex Individuals with Many Facets- They Just Don’t Want Any of Them

Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) don't put women on a pedastal.
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) don’t put women on a pedastal.

The typical MGTOW blogger or website will admit that women are more than just soul destroying creatures that are out to sleep with their friends and spend all their money. In fact, most MGTOW websites are happy to admit that women are complex people just like men. However, many MGTOW want very little from women other than a few compulsory items.

Many people who adopt this ideology believe that for a woman to redeem herself and be worthy a man’s time, they must only offer a few things. The first thing that most MGTOW agree on is that women should return to a more domestic place. They believe that women should be able to cook and clean and take care of household chores.

Secondly, men insist that women should offer sex fairly. For MGTOW, women cannot offer and facilitate sex and then decide that it was a mistake after it was over. Women should also not berate men for not being interested in sex.

Third, women offer the ability to have biological children, which is important for some levels of men who are going their own way.

Finally, if a woman plays her cards right and controls herself, she can offer MGTOW companionship. However, women should be kind, nurturing and supportive at all times.

  1. MGTOW Have Decided That Valentine’s Day Is Now the International Day of Men Going Their Own Way

Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) recognize Valentine's day as MGTOW Day!
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) recognize Valentine’s day as MGTOW Day!

Men who subscribe to the MGTOW ideology believe that men have and always will do Valentine’s Day better. The group says that men spend twice as much on Valentine’s Day as women do. They believe that there is no reason that they should invest so many resources into Valentine’s Day and that women are undeserving of the time, attention and money spent on February 14th.

The group says that children have their own version of Valentine’s Day and that the day is Christmas. However, unlike grown women, children have no rights and are not in control of their own politics or emotions. According to these men, it is okay for kids to act spoiled on Christmas but grown women should know better.

MGTOW says that the amount of money spent on Valentine’s Day every year could help save children from starving in Africa. However, they also allege that women not only expect to spend money on frivolous things that they do not deserve but they also delight in the fact that the money is being diverted away from people who really need or deserve it.

  1. There Are Five Levels of MGTOW

Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) has 5 sweet levels.
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) has 5 sweet levels.

The first level of men who are involved with MGTOW are men who are aware of some of the negativity surrounding their situations. They understand the perceived risks of having relationships with women; however, they do not believe that the risks outweigh the benefits of continuing to play the game. These men may take certain precautions against women who may be out to hurt or take advantage of him. Some may even ensure that a woman who takes action against them ensures mutual destruction. However, these men do not reject marriage, women or other societal pressures. Some say that this level of men does not fit within the MGTOW laws.

The second level includes men who reject the insistence of any and all long-term relationships. Long-term relationships with women might include living together, marriage or anything that can turn into common-law marriage. They also reject the idea of helping to raise other people’s children.

The reason that men reach is level is often because they are afraid of having children and then losing them in a divorce. They also fear being accused of domestic violence and adultery. Another fear includes losing their property or resources in a nasty divorce.

Men in this level participate in what is known as a ‘marriage strike’ because they believe there is no reason for men to get married or have children if everything can be ripped away from them in the blink of an eye.

The third level of MGTOW are men who reject all short term relationships or personal relationships with women. These men refuse to date, sleep with or even be friends with women. All interactions with women for these men are superficial and professional. These men try to keep interactions with women to a minimum.

The reason that men reach this level is because they believe that the laws support the targeting of men for sexual crimes. From federal laws to state laws to societal laws, men believe that they are found automatically guilty when accused of a sexual crime. They also believe that these laws allow women to accuse them of actions that are not crimes. One of the biggest issues for this level lies in that they believe women are allowed to accuse men of rape when the physical relationship between the two did not warrant this accusation.

The fourth level includes economic disengagement. Men who reach this level not only reject relationships with women but intentionally make themselves unattractive to the kind of women that they are uninterested in. They go out of their way to ensure that they remain in the lowest tax bracket possible for their income while still being able to pay this bills and remain in a good standard of living.

This level consists of men who do not want to give their money to anyone – male or female. They believe that the taxes they pay at the state and federal level are an unfair redistribution of wealth.

The final level of men who go their own way is a total rejection of society. This is usually the result of not only disillusionment but also disdain for the modern world and Western society. It is said to include an understanding of how society works as well as the desire to protect themselves from it.

The men who reach this level are not contributing to the economy, they are not procreating, and they are usually not engaging with society at any level. The community calls this “going ghost”.

These men may work but it is often under the table, for cash or for barter in order to avoid taxes and other people. However, a significant number go into self-imposed exile either physically or spiritually.

  1. MGTOW Has a Distinct Jargon

Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) has its own convoluted and descriptive jargon
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) has its own convoluted and descriptive jargon

Men that participate in MGTOW and other websites use a distinct language that is important to know when reading and discussing their websites. Some of the jargon includes acronyms like MRA (men’s rights activist) and MRM (men’s rights movement).

There are plenty of other terms that you need to sift through the information on these websites. The Anglosphere refers to countries where English is the normal language.

Some men are referred to as Incel or involuntarily celibate. These are people who have not been able to have a date or a sexual relationship in a long time. Incels are people who are usually socially awkward and struggle to meet women. Incels usually have a bitterness towards women that just ends up being self-defeating.

These websites get a lot of criticism both on and offline. The community came up with an acronym to deal with it called NAWALT or Not All Women Are Like That. NAWALT is one of the biggest and most common criticisms that people on these sites received. Some people in the community treat it like a rebuttal to criticism.

Finally, there is Western Women or WW. Western women are essentially known as the most evil type of woman. Western women usually exist within the Anglosphere. However, WW do not include all women. There are also foreign women, who are generally referred to with more kindness. Foreign women are usually from third world or developing countries. It also refers to women from southeast Asian women. These women have their own designated term because they are more desirable than western women and are often considered to be more pliable and thus less dangerous.

  1. MGTOW Work for a Limited Government But They Are Not Conservatives

Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) wanted limited government but aren't necessarily conservative.
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) wanted limited government but aren’t necessarily conservative.

Part of the manifesto of MGTOW includes working for a limited government. Although the number of people in this aspect of men going their own way is limited to those committed to the higher levels of the organization.

By working towards a limited government, MGTOW work towards a more limited government. In theory this is aligned with a conservative or Republican set of values. However, MGTOW prefers to avoid political connotations. Instead of suggest that the whole group should align themselves with a set of political beliefs, male sovereignty extends to varying politics as well.

  1. MGTOW Is All About Returning To a Traditional Masculinity and a Traditional Femininity

Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) is about traditional gender roles.
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) is about traditional gender roles.

The MGTOW manifesto is meant to inspire other men, and women, to work to return to a more traditional form of masculinity. The manifesto lists several strategies for achieving these goals.

By inspiring masculinity in men, MGTOW mean that they want to demand more traditional respect for men. They also aim to serve as role models for the kind of masculinity they mean. What they mean is that they want to live lives that are independent of the control of both women and the government. These men also aim to fight and destroy chivalry.

Of course, these men also have an idea of what the ideal woman is. The group aims to hold both men and women accountable for their actions and their lives. The qualities that MGTOW aim to instil in women are said to be complementary rather than competitive. They outline a stereotypical woman who is supportive, honest, responsible, respectful and nurturing of men.

When both groups are able to reach an accountable position in their lives, MGTOW say that relationships will once again become beneficial for both parties. While men are to remain independent on their own, any relationship they enter must be co-dependent to a certain extent.

They illustrate their point with the scenario of a man and a woman alone in the woods. The belief is that if one man and one women were to find themselves alone in the woods, the pair would become willingly dependant on one another. They suggest that both the man and the woman would enter into a more traditional role out of necessity for both survival and the relationship. They say that no one would be betrayed or left because in this case, both parties would suffer rather than just one.

  1. MGTOW Is Part of the Larger Manosphere

Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) is part of the larger MANOSPHERE
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) is part of the larger MANOSPHERE

The manosphere is a group of websites revolving around men. It is a part of the blogosphere and the Internet in general. The manosphere is an informal name that is given to all of the different groups, bloggers and commentators that discuss issues that oppose feminism. The websites all vary. Some talk about male self-improvement while others discuss traditionally masculine subjects like bodybuilding.

The manosphere also includes websites and blogs dedicated to men’s rights issues as well as pick-up artists. These sites include the MGTOW base site as well as other sites like Red Pill Room, Return of Kings and A Voice For Men.

In addition to these websites, a large group of supporters of MGTOW gather on websites like Reddit. Some of the top Reddit threads in the manosphere have around 100,000 subscribers.

Conclusion

Men who go their own way may fall under one heading but they include many different types of people. MGTOW are not just men who have been abused or cheated on but men who simply cannot attract the women they want.

The manosphere is filled with different groups of men working for freedom from women. Although they may fall within the same category, they too vary in in type and intensity. Men who reject the societal norms that they believe say that their lives should revolve around women deal with this through protests, through disengagement and even through hyper-engagement by using pick-up artistry.

If you have ever had your heart, or more, broken by another person, it can be easy to identify with some or all of the aims of these groups of people. However, rejecting another groups valuable qualities in favor of playing it safe is not a productive way of conducting personal or romantic relationships.

Perhaps if these groups promoted mutual respect rather than throwing grenades, people, not just men or women, would be capable to treating those they like, love or merely know with the respect and kindness that people of all genders, religions, backgrounds and races deserve.

  • john

    What people don’t understand about MGTOW is that it is more about economics (read that as money) than women. The cheapest and paradoxically the most expensive commodity on the planet is pussy. From the beginning of our species pussy was a highly valued and precious commodity. Feminism has unleashed true female nature and women themselves have degraded the market place value of pussy to almost zero. Yet at the same time women have manipulated the legal system to maintain the perceived value of pussy at its historically high levels. In short, basic economics show that the value of pussy maintained at an artificially high level by cartel manipulation has priced itself out of the market. The consumer market isn’t willing to pay the artificially high cartel price. Do you get it? And we are not obsessed with women. We will talk and talk and talk about women until every man on the planet is aware of the dangers of doing business with the pussy cartel. In short we are informing every man that will listen that pussy is no longer a valued commodity at the cartel price.

    • This sounds like a revolution. Check out this article below that examines Jon Birger’s book about demographics, dating and marriage. I think their is an interplay between what Birger writes about and the changing US culture. Men are doing their own thing and are very happy to do so. They are avoiding, in larger numbers, the typical entrapments/responsibilities/anchors that their fathers didn’t. Birger’s book examines the fallout college educated women are experiencing that’s been created by by their own educational successes (fostered by feminism): http://www.listland.com/top-10-weird-rules-women-must-follow-to-find-a-husband/

      • Gris Bosque

        It is a revolution, non violent, and its because both the women and the technocult expectations suck to live with. Guys will just start doing guy things, and do them happily. And they will figure out that being nomadic is better than having a bank and woman own your ass in a house.

        they will figure out that excessive materialism is just a burden, and that things like nationalism and excessive ownership are chains of enslavement. Feminism in all its hypocrisy has been a catalyst for mens liberation by being so fake and venonmous. And we are unstoppable; every divorce, evey trashed relationship, every article denigrating men, every sitcom with men as morons, every movie scene with women physically abusing men and getting away with it, every ragging wife, every child support payment, every childrens severvices department letter, it ALL creates more of us and less naïve good hearted good guys. where have all the good guys gone? ruined one by one, when will they ever learn?

      • Gris Bosque

        Well actually the root of MGTOW is the negation of doing what others expect us to, and doing what we want to do with our own lives. society and women are just users from our perspective, and we have realized we dont need them. Many MGTOWs are heading for a cabin in the woods and food garden and food trees, others are building out back campers, others are ghosting in cities, and others going to other countries to live, and looking for women capable of even minimal appreciation. I happen to fit several of those categories, and have been successful at a few of them.

        it is all doable.

        its follow your own dream guy style, and if a woman wants to go along, she is going to have to live up to my expectations.

        this morning, as all mornings, I am puttering on what ever I feel like, getting my own stuff in order one thing at a time, Im in the mountains of Panama, perfect climate, good soil, decent enough neighbors, and building the worlds first gravity water powered food vacuum dryer for free for a small farmers co-op to alleviate their poverty caused by middlemen ripping them off. I teach english for free in the local school, about half of them are indian kids. I enjoy every day of my life. if I do pick up on a woman, it will likely be an indian woman who owns a couple dresses she made herself, and maybe has rubber boots and sandals if she is lucky…

        what good is a spoiled and raggy first world woman to me? they wont shut up, all they do is blame you for everything, and suck money like a black hole.

        for all I care they can marry each other and have at it with their oversized sex toys.

        they cant get a man now, and blame us? fine! love it!

  • Bostonterrier97

    What possible benefit doe marriage offer a man? It’s cheaper to stay single, and financially safer as well. A single man can’t lose half of everything he earned on the whim of a woman nor can he be made an indentured servant for life by paying permanent alimony.
    So what does a wife offer to make the prospect of being financially destroyed worth it?
    Sex – it is by far cheaper and far more reliable to simply get a prostitute who for a price is willing to do anything, anywhere, at anytime. Contrast this with a wife who has a perennial “headache” and causes a marriage to be sexless for months or years…
    Cleaning – in my part of the world the going rate for a maid is $20 per hour. 5 hours of cleaning and the house is spotless.For $200 a month the house is kept very clean.
    Cooking – in my part of the world a cook is about the same price as a maid. Just hire a Mexican Gal to come in twice a week and cook up a lot of meals.
    And here is the beauty of outsourcing: it is not only cheaper and gives better service and value for the dollar than a wife, but if dissatisfied with the service; a man can fire the prostitute/maid/cook and get a new one very quickly with a simple phone call.

  • chaosdecides .

    Ignore the 5 levels of MGTOW. It’s an absurd idea put forth by control freaks that want criteria to use so they can decide who is worthy enough to belong to their clique.

    • People love their hierarchies don’t they.

  • Atton

    When it comes to the issue of respect women have earned no such thing. As a MGTOW I expect nothing from women including them doing anything to earn respect.

    • But they can earn respect. You’re just saying you expect them not to try?

      • Gris Bosque

        we dont care what they do, after years of processing the damage, the final stage for us is indifference. been thru the whole process myself. hate stage was a long time back, it was right after the love stage… you just start connecting the dots after a few relationships, the majority of the women are fruit cakes… haven’t you noticed yet? you must need a few more relationships?

        who needs a live in fruit cake?

        • So no women?

          • Gris Bosque

            its primarily about avoiding the traps…

            if some decent woman came along, I might be interested, but the odds are slim of that happening, what you get are women who put on an act for maybe 90 days.

            they are basically a preditory parasite.

            MGTOWs realize this.

            if marriage was wonderful, we’d all be married. how come we ain’t?

            because from a MALE PERSPECTIVE they are mostly culls.

            • Yeah I think this viewpoint is gaining steam. There are more single people than married. You guys might be onto something. I have a feeling we will writing more about this movement.

              • Gris Bosque

                Im sure you will, its THE topic of the generation.

                really I see two fundamental issues;

                1. women need to adapt to the new reality, which is men not wanting much to do with them unless they clean up their act. Judgybitch at AVFM did a great write on a woman now looking for a nice guy…

                the main problem is self centeredness. modern women are often incapable of thinking of anything except themselves. plenty of guys are like that too. but its a buyers market, and the guys ain’t buying. why? well have you heard of any woman trying to learn skills that would make her a good catch? in traditional times they would have been expected to learn to sew, cook, be organized, literate, well mannered, humble, clean, and socially responsible for caring for others. They wove the cloth, dyed it and made the clothes etc. just an example, my point is they do nothing men want. they go for an education thats useless, in hopes of a high paying career, just what I want right? some career babe who thinks she has to live in a city?

                2. the current reality is society in crisis, and its a perfect storm. and what aware men want is a good partner for whats coming. And a fat spoiled prinecess ain’t it…

                Id be more interested in a woman who knew how to grow food, make useful things, shoot bow and arrows, wanting to live nomadic or at least free of the system, and who realized that group social skills do not apply to one male partner. its not about mindless chatter like with the girls, its about shutting up, listening, learning,
                asking good questions,
                and trying to think well enough to pick up on anything the guy misses.

                what there is, is a definite shortage of manginas beginning… from their perspective, from male perspective there is a shortage of real women… they are about as real as the Barbie dolls they played with…

                the reason we dont want them is because they are not what we want.

                they could take a lesson from man’s best friend; why do men like dogs so much? good natured, loving, humble, honest, appreciative, quiet, love to go on adventures of any and all types.

                Then theres the sex issue. they consider it bait, not food for the relationship.

                Which is why men say prostitutes are the most honest women. Wives are often dishonest prostitutes for their husbands… not alot to reccommend there…. they try to take as much
                and give as little as possible.

                I think a good crash will do alot for them!

                its basically pushing the reset button. especially on relationships. and they really need that.

          • Gris Bosque

            not until I find one willing to cut the crap. And get with my program instead of her agenda. One thing you learn in this process is that the Empire is corrupt and failing.
            basically there are three foundations to civilization;

            1. excess food supply.
            2. justice.
            3. male female relationships.

            Search; food crisis.
            think about the justice in divorce.
            and ponder how male/female relationships are going.

            civilizations crash from excessive resource consumption turned into waste. and one of the last stages is expeditionary resource area expansion wars.

            how are we doing?

            the MGTOWS are just the guys leaving the sinking ship early. while the women want to dance in the ballroom.

            Marriage has become insignificant to the real situation. a piece of paper, too slick to wipe your aft end with. A contract where all the benefits are on one side and all the costs and risks on the other. Marriage is dead, justice is dead, and the technocult is a Zombie.
            MGTOW is walking past the city limits sign and not looking back. its enjoying the journey instead of the grind, its new horizons and fresh air. its a boy and his dog on a Saturday morning. its making things you like. and having adventures of your own choosing, its creativity instead of slavery. good luck getting us back on the plantation.

  • > MGTOW Is All About Returning To a Traditional Masculinity and a Traditional Femininity

    total BS. we’re against gynocentrism of all kinds, be it traditionalism or feminism.

    • I thought the resurrection of masculinity was essential to MGTOW. No? And doesn’t traditional femininity eschew “gynocentrism.”

      • Got it. Not as concerned with masculinity, admittedly selfish, but inclusive.

        • Gris Bosque

          not really selfish..

          just not stupidly generous to people who have proven themselves to be our enemies.

          we are not stupid cows, we are realists.

          • Ok pragmatic then. Tit for tat.

            • Gris Bosque

              pragmatic yes.
              most see it as a cost/benefit ratio. and even if women were free if the benefits of having one are negative, you dont want one.

              and considering that they are just problem creators, who needs them? let them bask in cause and effect and learn what causing problems get you, without having us guys to bail them out.

              And if marriage has nothing in it guys want, and everything they dont want, its going to be hard to sell it to them.

              Personally I see the humor in the frantic women trying to find a schmuck who will get hormonally stupid enough to marry them. They dont give a damn what they do to us, the universe is about them doncha know?
              Men dont even exist except as a targett and a victim. Well, as MLK jr. pointed out; if someone is on your back, stand up…

              Basically we dont need all the head games, and we dont need them for anything. They complain about young males doing video games and living in moms basement, but what the women dont understand, is the reason young guys are like that, is to avoid women.

              gee? why would they want to do that?
              because women are generally toxic.

              So, they can go away, leave us alone, create their own little screwed up lives, and we can be free. And what MGTOWs are figuring out is that the only wise use of money, is doing things that reduce your need for money.

              We are headed for absolute freedom and independence thru self sufficiency, minimalism, using our skills, and using our hobbys.

              so, no threat to anyone except muches.

      • Gris Bosque

        dont know about the other guys, but I find even the word masculinity to be repulsive. why do I need a box? Im just going to be me, and that does not include being a male apologist or being a puffed up hormone head..

        I didn’t make the history. so why should I take blame for it?

        I think its fine women can support themselves now, and soon will be registering for the draft. go for it girls! MGTOWs dont support military service either. why defend a culture and women who just love to trash us? you go fight the wars, grow the food, invent and make the machines and fix them.

        if women are so great, surely they can do it all fine without us.

        gone fishing! and dont knock on the door when you smell it frying, go catch your own…

        From now on women can pay us for what we do, the freebies are over, and so are the sweetheart deals.

        • This comment like one below ties into shifting demographics highlighted in another post. Check it out: http://www.listland.com/top-10-weird-rules-women-must-follow-to-find-a-husband/

          • Gris Bosque

            checked out the link, was 101 ways for women to hunt down men and try to force them to marry.

            one missed point; if the women are undesirable for long term mates, they are wasting their time bothering men with their marriage agenda. they dont care what we want, so we dont want them. they only think about what they want. each and every one of them is the center of the universe looking for that perfect guy for her agenda… we are not Ken dolls. we are people, with hearts and minds. women are generally unconcerned about how anything affects us. maybe if they became concerned, we might notice?

            marriage sux, been there done that.

            • The article has certain bent, true. However, the book behind the article points to real shift in our cultural dynamic where women who, of course want to be married, are forced to be the breadwinner. Fascinating stuff.

  • wgone

    MGTOW is mainly centered about the Rejection of Marriage and long term relationships. Its not about Traditionalism. It believes that modern western ideology has rendered marriage worthless. Some other points

    1. MGTOW focuses on men building up themselves for their own good.
    2. MGTOW rejects pluralism and embraces individualism.
    3. MGTOW believes men are as always great and have incredible abilities (just go to youtube and see how many great things men can do)
    4. MGTOW beleives it has an obligation to expose the government, society and the women’s movement that acts in the detriment to men as a whole, so that men will not fall into the traps that will ruin their lives.
    5. A very large amount of men in western societies today are MGTOW without even ever hearing about it.

    • Great comment.

    • nexus974

      You are a very good spokesman for MGTOW.

  • Gris Bosque

    MGTOW is every man going his own way, therefore defies any set description…

    each man interprets reality and acts accordingly..

    period.

    • Every Mgtow is a snowflake? Ok next article Top10 ways Mgtow are unique in every way.

      • Gris Bosque

        you seem to have forgotten individual human creativity in your attempt to sound cutesie.. every MGTOW gets to decide what his own expression of life is, instead of getting caught up in the mass psychosis that is normalcy.

      • Oh Christian. Wow. We welcome all viewpoints here at ListLand. If you disagree with our article in some fashion, express yourself civilly. Now calm down you little pussy.

  • You can’t back that up. For much of history women have been treated as chattel.

    • Gris Bosque

      you miss the main point; feminist blame men, but it wasn’t really men abusing women, it was the status quo abusing both. just like now. is the status quo always only men? hardly! blaming all men for something the elite of both sexes have done is off base. but how many women in divorces do not take all they can get? legal and justice are always two different things.

      we just ignore women because their current qualities are destructive and negative, and personally I dont like traditionalism, Im more interested in primitivism, because it really worked. the real problem is society, and women are about to become the victims. as the men pull out, it will collapse, women do not make society function at its fundamental levels. no need for bean counters if the guys quit growing beans.

      the best and brightest men are leaving. and gutless manginas cant keep it going without the creative types who have the guts to take risks and the brains to know better. marriage is dead, women will go to wedding museums 20 years from now to look at dresses and cakes and watch videos of dead rituals.

      dont believe me? get married, see what really happens, and you can catch up with us after that.

      • Very interesting philosophy. Truly. However, it’s completely unsustainable. What about children?

        • Gris Bosque

          indifferent to that too… the current paradigm is also unsustainable. in fact, less children are less unsustainable… and who really wants to sustain a twisted culture?

          dont know if you have noticed, but the world isn’t getting better.

          in fact the only way to fix it is likely a collapse.

          study the Soviet collapse. Feminism is dead in Russia. women value having a man. why? they know the Nanny State can go away, leaving what?

          women in western culture think they dont need men. lets test that. men can pull out, and let them try it.

          Its not my civilization, it doesn’t really work for my benefit, so why should I care if it continues?

    • Gris Bosque

      watch some “girlwriteswhat” videos on you tube, and then come back to me on the chattel property argument.

  • And what’s with the swearing. Knock it off or you’re bounced. Use your words. But not the bad ones.

  • Seanzorelli

    Congratulations on a well-researched, informative, and especially, even-handed article.

    • Thank you. And thanks for reading!

  • nexus974

    I’ve only just recently discovered the MGTOW philosophy and so far the more I learn the more I want to learn. It seems the most logical reaction to an increasingly feminized culture that expects men to be sacrificial animals while apologizing for our existence.

  • Earl

    The Logic with the MGTOW honestly does make alot of sense. But the Feminist movement ALSO makes rational sense. Both see society as “rigged” against them is someway and have resorted to a system of “self preservation” via political or personal change.

    What if both movements essentially won? Women were not restricted in anyway from achieving their goals in life, and men focussed on their goals and dreams without the fear of having that taken away by slander or divorce. Individuals from both sexes could be mutually successful without any institutionalized restrictions.

    Call me crazy but it seems like this could work.