10 Reasons Abortion Should be Illegal

10 Reasons Abortion Should be Illegal

America has some of the most liberal abortion laws in the world.  However, ever since it became legal in 1973 Abortion has been one of the most hotly contested topics in both American day to day life and American politics.  Pro-choice, Pro-life everybody seems to have an opinion and some people are not afraid to use violence against those who disagree with them.

In a country where feelings are strong it seems to be impossible for those on either side of the fence to sit down and have a rational debate on the issue, sadly the unborn fetus at the center of the dispute and most affected by the debate is unable to speak up.

We do not wish to address the difficult questions of pregnancies which result from rape or incest – these should form a separate category and be considered on their own merits.  With that in mind and in an attempt to bring rational discussion to this issue we have listed our top 10 reasons why abortion is wrong and should be illegal.

10. The Legal Decision in Roe v Wade is Wrong

Abortion should be illegal. Roe v. Wade was incorrectly decided
Abortion should be illegal. Roe v. Wade was incorrectly decided

Roe v Wade was a landmark in 1973 and paved the way for abortion to become legal in the US.  The decision declared that it was a ‘Fundamental Right’ for a woman to have unrestricted access to an abortion in the early weeks of pregnancy and the restricted ability to abort in later weeks.  The decision was based on a right to privacy which was declared by the Supreme Court (7-2) to cover the right to terminate a pregnancy.  However later Supreme Court Justices have considered that the 1973 Supreme Court went beyond its remit because the US constitution has no guarantees as to privacy and abortion is an issue for legislators not judges.

Many US States felt uncomfortable with this decision and have passed laws to require women seeking an abortion to pass through several steps.  This can include having a pre-termination ultrasound or attending a counselling session.  The pro-choice movement is uncomfortable with these state restrictions and characterizes several States as ‘hostile’ to abortions.  However these restrictions, when seen in a worldwide context, are not unreasonable.  In many countries similar to the US access to abortion is much more difficult; in Ireland, for example, abortion is illegal in all but the direst of circumstances such as where the health of the mother is compromised by the pregnancy.

9. Abortion denies the fetus the right to life as safeguarded in the US Constitution  

Abortion should be illegal because it denies babies their constitutionally protected right to life
Abortion should be illegal because it denies babies their constitutionally protected right to life

When the United States became an Independent Nation the Founding Fathers declared ‘All men are created equal…with certain unalienable Rights…Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness’    The 14th Amendment of the US Constitution provides that no person should be ‘deprived of life’ without recourse to the due process of the law.  At conception a new life comes into being, one with a unique genetic code and the unlimited potential for greatness that is latent in all humans, the development into a baby, then toddler, child, teenager, adult is inevitable.

However, aborting a fetus deprives it of life and the ability to enjoy its future liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  An abortion deprives a fetus of life without any recourse to due process.  The fetus is unable to defend itself.  Roe v Wade held that a fetus does not become a person until the moment of birth.  This can, however, lead to bizarre situations where doctors in one room of a hospital will be attempting to save the life of a premature baby while doctors in the next door operating theatre are performing an abortion on a healthy fetus of the same age

Attempts have been made to persuade law-makers to declare an unborn fetus a person for the purposes of the 14th amendment but they have not, to date, been successful.  Since 2010, however, increasing restrictions on access to abortion have been implemented in a number of US States.

8. Abortion is Murder

Abortion should be illegal because it is murder
Abortion should be illegal because it is murder

Unborn babies are protected from murder and violence by the federal act ‘Unborn Victims of Violence.  The act considers an unborn baby to be a human being and imposes penalties on those who inflict harm on a fetus otherwise than through an abortion.  In addition to the Federal Act 38 US states have separate fetal homicide laws. The laws of 23 of those states protect the fetus from the very earliest stages of pregnancy, regardless of viability outside the womb.

These laws make it clear that most people find the killing of a fetus to be repugnant and its life worthy of protection.  These same laws, however, permit a mother, one of the two people in the world who should be protecting the fetus and putting its interests above anyone else’s, to have an abortion.  If it is unacceptable for a stranger to kill a baby why is it acceptable for a mother and her doctors to do so?

The father of an unborn baby is considered a victim when it is killed by a third party but has no rights at all to prevent or argue against the mother of his child having an abortion.

7. Abortion is not Contraception

Abortion should not be legal.  And abortion should not be used as contraception
Abortion should not be legal. And abortion should not be used as contraception

US statistics show that 21% of all viable pregnancies end in abortion and half of all the women arranging an abortion have had at least one abortion in the past.  In 2010 over 8% of all women having an abortion had had three or more in the past.  This is not just a problem in the US, in the UK (where condoms, hormonal contraception of the woman’s choice and emergency ‘morning after’ contraception is provided free of charge by the state) multiple abortions, sometimes as many as 9 are not uncommon.

These days a full range of contraceptives are available to both men and women together with training to ensure that they are used effectively.  It is, however, not uncommon for these methods to fail when used incorrectly.  The statistics for multiple abortions therefore suggest that some women prefer to take the risk of pregnancy to having to pay attention and use birth control effectively.  This is backed up by the abortion statistics for the year following the decision in Roe v Wade where the number of conceptions was shown to have risen by approximately 30% but the number of live births fell by 6% indicating that abortion was seen by some as an insurance policy and an acceptable form of birth control.

Some extreme pro- choice supporters publically promote this stance.  They consider that, as an unwanted pregnancy can happen easily, even when contraception is being used (half of all US pregnancies are accidental), abortion is the only reliable form of birth control.

Should a parent’s failure to follow instructions result in the death of a fetus innocent of any wrongdoing?

6. Selective Abortion is discriminatory and the modern day equivalent of eugenics

Abortion should be illegal because it is a form of selective eugenics
Abortion should be illegal because it is a form of selective eugenics

When we look back at the Eugenics movement of the early part of the last century most modern people are appalled.  Eugenics legitimized condemnation of mixed race marriages and called on society to ‘weed out’ those who were less than perfect.  Several schools of thought were promoted that suggested that undesirable traits such as a tendency towards criminality could be bred out of humanity.  In countries such as the US and the UK the ‘poor’ were seen as particular targets for eugenics and in the US social undesirables were sterilized by force.

These countries were not, however, alone.  Under the Nazis Germany took the concept of Eugenics to an extreme which resulted in forced sterilizations and later in all those who failed to meet set criteria being set to concentration and death camps.  This included not only Jews but also gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally disabled and so on.

These days discrimination on the grounds of race and gender is illegal. Full rights and protections are also afforded to those with disabilities by the Americans with Disabilities Act 1990.  These days pregnant women are given access to a range of screening tests designed to monitor her health and the health of her baby.  These tests can identify heartbreaking conditions like Edward’s Syndrome, many of which are incompatible with a healthy or pain free life after birth, many parents who receive the news that their babies are suffering from such conditions make the difficult decision to terminate their pregnancy and they should certainly not be criticized for the hard but legal decision they have taken.  However care has to be taken with these tests, they are not always accurate and if used by untrained or unregulated personnel can give false results which result in a distraught parent arranging for an abortion of a healthy fetus.

One of the conditions regularly screened for is Down Syndrome, while this chromosomal disability can present with a wide range of symptoms and effects many babies born with Down Syndrome are able, with support, to go on and lead a happy and productive life with their families, some are even able to attend main stream school, hold down a job and live independently.  However, despite this more than 80% of pregnancies where babies are diagnosed as having Down Syndrome are subsequently aborted.  These abortions have reduced the US rate of Down Syndrome births by 15% between 1989 and 2005 when, had testing not been in place, the number of Down Syndrome births would have risen by over 30%.

Legislation prevents any person, from the moment of birth, from being discriminated against but, it seems, these protections do not extend to unborn children.  We may condemn the practice of eugenics but we enable it by the back door when we allow selective termination to take place.

5. Abortion allows man to act against the will of God

Abortion should be illegal because it contravenes God's will. I'm pretty sure Ganesha hates it.
Abortion should be illegal because it contravenes God’s will. I’m pretty sure Ganesha hates it.

Many religions reject abortion.  The Bible states that a fetus is a person from the moment of conception, Jeremiah 1:5 says explicitly ‘Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations’.  The Bible specifically instructs that man ‘shall not kill’.  Hindu tradition finds that abortion is no different than the act of killing one’s parents and considers a person who kills a fetus as one of the greatest possible sinners.  Similarly many Buddhists believe that life begins at conception and that abortion is akin to murder.  The Dalai Lama has advised that abortion is generally negative but can be permissible only in certain circumstances.

There is no single opinion on abortion in Islam but the Koran considers that all life is sacred as it states ‘whosoever has killed a soul it is as though he has murdered all mankind’.  Some Islamic traditions do permit restricted access to abortion in the first months of pregnancy but certainly not all.  However, Islam permits flexibility in certain situations, often on a case by case basis.

Judaism takes a slightly different view as it considers a fetus only potentially human as opposed to human, however, it must be protected as though it were a human being and abortion would not generally be allowed except for specific cases.

4. Abortion makes human life disposable, Doctors were originally forbidden to practice abortion for this reason.  These days abortion is big business.

Abortion should be illegal because abortion Doctors are just in it for the buckets and buckets of cold hard cash.
Abortion should be illegal because abortion Doctors are just in it for the buckets and buckets of cold hard cash.

The Pope has claimed that abortion promotes a culture where human life is considered disposable where babies are discarded as ‘unnecessary’.  This is a view backed up by some members of the US House of Representatives as typified by Randy Hultgren’s statement that abortion allows us to ‘throw away anything or anyone that is an inconvenience’ and condemning the US abortion providers as running an industry designed to make money off the back of suffering.  Others equate abortion to the Columbine High School massacre as in the US a baby dies through an abortion every 20 seconds.  They claim that abortion sends a message that a baby’s life and therefore that of all children is considered disposable in the US.

Abortion was specifically forbidden in the original version of the Hippocratic Oath sworn by all doctors.  Today doctors are required to swear that they must not ‘play at God’ and 8% of all modern oaths administered specifically require the doctor to refuse to participate in abortion.  However, abortion is such big business in America (1 in 4 pregnancies in the US is terminated) that abortion providers do all they can to limit restrictions on access or any pre-abortion counselling and ultrasounds.  Providers are often instructed to do all they can to persuade women who have visited a clinic to abort even if they have doubts.  Babies that survive the abortion process are thrown out with clinical waste and left to die even though they should, post birth, have all the protections personhood confers (see above).

It seems that all concerns about doctors playing god can be dismissed as a woman’s right to choose when large sums of money are involved.

3. Abortion can result in medical complications and psychological trauma for women

Abortion should be outlawed because it causes long lasting physical and emotional pain.
Abortion should be outlawed because it causes long lasting physical and emotional pain.

However you look at it a woman who has an abortion and a doctor who provides one are responsible for the termination of a life.  This is true whether you believe that life starts at conception or starts at birth (because aborting a healthy fetus denies it the opportunity of life and birth).  Perhaps because women who have an abortion have to live with this knowledge (which may come back to haunt them strongly on the anniversaries of the abortion and the expected birth date) they can be at increased risk of suffering from depression.  This effect can last at least five years after the abortion takes place.  Women who have had an abortion are also at greater risk of suicide in the years following the event (154% more likely than women who give birth to their babies).  It is not just women who experience psychological problems following an abortion; the termination can have a negative effect on their partner as well.

Abortions can cause physical as well as psychological trauma with research showing an increased likelihood of miscarriage  and placenta previa in any subsequent pregnancies.  Abortions are also shown to increase the risk of breast cancer.  These risks are typically not discussed with women who attend abortion clinics where they are assured that the procedure is both safe and no more painful than having a tooth extraction.

2. Abortion reduces the number of babies available for adoption

Abortion should be illegal because it prevents people from adopting. Hmmm.... Pretty sure there are lots of available babies. Oh well.
Abortion should be illegal because it prevents people from adopting. Hmmm…. Pretty sure there are lots of available babies. Oh well.

Many families today struggle with the trauma and misery of infertility, they would do almost anything to have a baby and would love to be able to adopt an unwanted baby, as of 2002 there were approximately 2.6 million women or 14% of American women waiting to adopt children, only just over 1% managed to complete an adoption.  .  Prior to 1973 9% of all babies born in the US were put up for adoption and given to happy and supportive homes.  After the decision in Roe v Wade this number dropped dramatically to 1%.

These statistics show that there would be many homes available to babies carried to term, giving them an opportunity to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  These babies are, however, not given this opportunity as the rights of the mother to enjoy a ‘disposable’ culture are deemed more important than the rights of the unborn baby and its potential family.

1. Fetuses are capable of feeling pain

Abortion should be illegal because fetuses feel pain and abortion is cruel and unusual
Abortion should be illegal because fetuses feel pain and abortion is cruel and unusual

Look at some of the new 4d scans of very young fetuses.  As early as 12 weeks they are, if small, fully formed human beings, they have eyes, fingers, toes, heart and a nervous system.  By 8 weeks gestation a fetus can flex their spine, an indication that enough of a nervous system exists to enable it to feel pain.  While fetuses of that age lack a fully developed cortex experiments on animals lacking a cortex show that they withdraw from painful stimuli.  Dr Nathanson, an early proponent of abortion became a pro-life campaigner after he saw 12 week fetuses shrink from instruments and open their mouths in a scream during an abortion.

While the majority of abortions that take place in the US and around the world are either medical (procured through drugs) or simple vacuum extractions abortions at a later stage of pregnancy are more difficult.  These are properly called dilation and extraction abortions but are often referred to as Partial Birth Abortions.  The procedure is truly horrendous for the fetus.  It is turned in the womb and all of the body bar the head is delivered (the delivery of the head would imply a live birth).  At this stage the fetus is completely alive and healthy.  The surgeon then pierces the head and extracts the brain killing the baby.  The body is then delivered.  This is not a sanitized procedure, it is not humane and it is not always performed on a fetus who can feel no pain, many of the babies on whom this procedure is performed are capable of a viable birth.  If the baby’s head were delivered and the procedure subsequently carried out it would be characterized as murder.  This type of abortion is subject to bans and legal challenges.  As a result many providers now stop the baby’s heart with a lethal injection prior to dismembering the fetus in utero.  This does not, however, detract from the fact that the fetus is alive and capable of life just seconds before the injection takes effect.

 

Of course there are certain circumstances where difficult and heartbreaking decisions have to be made; we are not, however, discussing those here.  We are considering whether the easy access to abortion on demand should be a fundamental human right.  Abortion, whether through partial birth or otherwise is, quite simply horrific.  In a society where we have easy access to contraceptives which if used properly or in combination would prevent an unwanted pregnancy there is simply no excuse for abortion, particularly not of one in four viable pregnancies.  However, we live in a throwaway society, one where the rights of a woman to ‘choose’ are seen as more important than those of the baby she is carrying, the baby’s father and potential parents who could love and nurture it.

Doctors who perform an abortion take a living human being, capable of breathing, capable of crying and nursing and cut its life short before it has the opportunity to realize its potential.  The mother who is supposed to love it more than anyone else in the world, who is supposed to protect it is complicit in its pain, suffering and death.  It is for these reasons that abortion should be illegal.

  • Tom Graham

    This line of reasoning is ridiculous.
    The only valid legal line of reasoning is one of property. Does the woman own her own body? If so, can she evict trespassers even if they were initially invited?
    Basis – a pregnancy is a human being going through development stages, all the while trespassing on the woman’s person, leeching sustenance through the uterine walls.

    Legally, abortion = removing a trespasser.
    If the trespasser can survive without the mother, awesome!
    If you see a drug addict drowning in mud puddle and to save them all you have to do is turn their head, should there be a law that stipulates you must save them?
    If the trespasser cannot survive, the mother is not responsible for killing it. She and the father are, however, responsible for giving it life in the first place. 99% of aborted pregnancies are consensual.
    The circumstance should not have happened in the first place. Abstention or contraception are options.
    The death of the human is a direct result of removing it from life support, exactly like taking a adult human in a vegetative state off life support. Is the doctor guilty of murder in both cases? Is the husband guilty of letting his wife go?

    Amillia Taylor is the world’s youngest premature baby ever to survive, and was born at just 21 weeks and six days into her gestation (5 1/2 months), which was two weeks before the legal abortion cut off at the time in the US

    Roe v Wade
    Month 1-3 – A woman has the unabridged right to abort the development of the human being she helped create.
    Month 4-6 – The state in which she lives can make stipulations
    Month 7-9 – forbidden by federal law in most cases

    Only the mother can make this decision, she should go to anyone she deems worthy to help her make the decision. The father has no rights to the mothers body and therefore no standing as to how she proceeds, but considering he is the father he should have his opinion heard.
    Once she makes the decision, no one should stand in her way of executing her decision. Abortion a medical procedure much like separating conjoined twins and every effort should be made to save the human being removed.

    • lionsuar77

      Whatever body…nice rationalization. Abortion is just the removal of a trespasser! Convince yourself of that all you want, people with of conscience, who aren’t sociopathic in their views, see abortion as it truly is…the ending of a life and thus preventing the life of its universal right to exist.

      • Tom Graham

        I don’t think you read my entire comment. The point I made was that yes indeed, a human life is being ended but turning off the life support machine cannot be considered murder. Yes, a human being is dying. Even though the human being is at an early stage of development it is still a human being.
        If you can propose an alternative that doesn’t require the mother to allow the child to live inside her I’m all ears.

        • Dylan Kurbel

          Why do you consider the existence of a woman’s fertilized egg “trespassing”? Or one that is even further developed (embryo, fetus) to be a trespasser? Trespassing constitutes an invasion of land or property, or legal offense. If a woman’s uterus is what you’re considering to be land or property, then it is my pleasure to tell you: you are incorrect.

          Separating conjoined twins and performing an abortion are not the same. In the case of the conjoined twins, one might be sacrificed so that the other may live, rather than allowing both of the twins to die. Abortion is the elimination of a pre-born’s potential to live.

          I should also comment on your “life support” clause: it is murder to remove someone from life support (even with their consent, if you are not legally permitted to do so). So I would warn you that, if you’re “turning off the life support” for someone, you’re gonna get in trouble. But hey, your call – like getting an abortion.

          A disclaimer, however, is that I do feel some circumstances allow for a woman to have an abortion, such as sexual rape or abuse. Wit that said, don’t go around pretending its not an act of proactively destroying life.

          Good luck with your next online discussion.

          • Tom Graham

            Any unwelcome person that is invading another person’s property is a trespasser. A person’s body is absolutely their own property. Anyone who argues otherwise is mistaken. If you don’t own your body, who does?

            When an abortion happens, the mother is absolutely removing the unborn human being from their only way to continue living. And although I personally believe that she should endure the consequences of her behavior (getting pregnant in the first place) there is no way to logically rectify the fact that I cannot legally tell her what to do with her body.

            Here’s a great question for you though. Suppose our medical science was advanced enough to transfer a living fetus from one person to another. Now suppose a pregnant woman got in a car accident and was on the verge of death. Is it okay for the government to tell some other woman that she must lay on the operating room table and have the still living fetus transplanted into her before the mother dies? If not, why not? If the random woman says “no, then she is taking the fetus’ chance to live away, right? She’s a murderer based on your definition because she doesn’t want to carry the fetus to term. Never mind that it’s not her baby, its a living human being. Why is it okay for the other woman to say no but its not okay for the mom to say no?

            As far as doctors turning off life support, if there is an agreement on the part of all the physicians involved that the patient has an irreversible, terminal illness, the family will be notified that they can either move the patient somewhere else or the plug will be pulled. This is not murder, it is simply stopping treatment.

            • Dylan Kurbel

              Hi Tom,

              You should look up the legal definition of property and how the human body falls into that… No one is able to “own” their body by law. Your comment has some of the most laughably fallacious logic I’ve ever seen, and I considered not replying to you at all, but couldn’t help myself.

              You originally said that “turning off the life support machine cannot be considered murder”. Yes, with the agreement of family and medical staff responsible, and according to the person’s will, it would be legal to turn off their life support – I agree with that. This, however, is still not relevant to the argument we are having.

              To claim that a person who had nothing to do with the conception of the fetus has as much accountability for the life or death of the fetus as does the woman who became pregnant, is nothing short of stupid. (It’s called a bad analogy in logic and critical thinking)

              “And although I personally believe that she should endure the consequences of her behavior (getting pregnant in the first place) there is no way to logically rectify the fact that I cannot legally tell her what to do with her body,” said by you. Your statement here is a double negative referring to your *inability* to “rectify” the “fact” that you “*cannot* legally tell her what to do.

              Can’t believe I took the time to respond to you again.

              Sorry Tom,

              You’re not correct.

              • Tom Graham

                Your arguments are nonsensical.
                You say I don’t own my body, you’re wrong.
                You say that comparing a doctor turning off life support to an adult patient and a doctor removing the life support from an unborn person is not relevant, you’re wrong.
                You say that the doctor does not have as much accountability for the murder of the unborn child as the mother does, even though its the doctor physically killing the child. I’m going to disagree with that. My question is, accountable to whom?
                As far as your critique of my grammar, you’re an idiot. I suggest you talk to a grammar teacher, which you are obviously not.

                • Darby the Meme

                  You can’t use God in your arguments and expect to be respected by everyone. Bring me some scientific evidence the God exists and then I’ll listen to your argument.

                  • sul

                    I don’t care if I’m not respected by everyone. People are hated for telling the truth. By the way, bring me some scientific evidence that God doesn’t exists and then I’ll listen to your argument. See how that works?

                    • Darby the Meme

                      I’ll show some tomorrow. I need to get to bed, your stupidity is hurting my head.

                    • Darby the Meme

                      You show me the evidence God exists that isn’t the Bible.

                    • sul

                      Loo around in nature, there’s your evidence. Evolution is too improbable to occur. What other evidence could you want?

                    • Darby the Meme

                      Scientific evidence. Actual PROOF that he exists, actual REPORTS of things happening that were proven to be done by God.

                    • sul

                      There’s lots of people claiming to experience a miracle; there’s testimonials and other unexplained events. You just can’t discard things because they don’t fit your description of reality. Science isn’t everything, and putting too much faith in it can bring disastrous results. If you don’t believe me, try searching for Vladimir Nemikhov and Sergei Bruyukhonenko.

                    • Darby the Meme

                      But do those people who claimed to experience a miracle have proof?

                    • sul

                      Some of them do. They have proof of being healed inexplicably, or they have proof of having been in a precarious situation and being saved in the precise moment. It requires more than just a mere simple anecdote, these people have appeared on T.V., radio, newspapers, etc.

                    • sul

                      yes, they do, medical records, photos, etc. It’s all about inquiring

            • anonymous

              but the baby isn’t trespassing you made it. and even if you got raped, it is still part of you.

        • Jaheim Brown

          It’s a thing called adoption..did that go in your ears

          • Tom Graham

            I believe adoption requires the mother to allow the child to live inside of her until it is born.

      • lionsuar77

        I don’t get it Rodney….I was arguing that abortion is a horrible act and ending a life. That’s not a liberal view. I think you replied to the wrong comment.

      • Erica

        Today, in my science class, the discussion, abortion was brought up, and people in my class asked my opinion if you should have the right to abortion. I said that I think you should beacuase it is the woman and her body who gets the choice. Being where I live, Florida, everyone is religious, and they all started basically yelling to me how wrong it is. I told them that abortion should be aloud within a time limit of when you find out your pregnant. I would personally never do that, but its the woman’s body! I felt so bad I basically cyed, because they said it is a living person, but if you think about it, it is not a real person until it comes out of the body of a lady! Yup, I am 12, and abortion is taking away your rights!

        • Erica

          I am a republican, you idiot! But you don’t dare tell girls what to do just because they decide to have an abortion! It should be done a week within pregnancy!

          • Grace

            shut up!

            im a girl 2

            abortion is murder

            and im 11
            i have 10 wonderful siblings and ones dead too
            happy? abortions bad. my dead sibling had a heart defect
            there
            see, ur wrong

            • kim na na

              i don’t really think you repeating the same thing over and over is making a point- especially by being so negative. yeah, abortion is negative but if you honestly want to get the message across.. find a way girl. use this passion and write about it. maybe one day you can write an essay that will change people’s minds

          • okaaay

            this really proves your age hun, sometimes people can’t tell their pregnant until three or four weeks… sometimes more

        • Hannah Robinon

          if you don’t believe that it is a person until it is born, then why do you believe there should be a time limit for abortions?

          • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

            OOH! good 1

          • Darby the Meme

            Because the part of the brain that senses pain hasn’t developed in the time limit.

        • Grace

          abortion is wrong
          and im 11
          i have 10 wonderful siblings and ones dead too
          happy? abortions bad. my dead sibling had a heart defect
          there
          see, ur wrong

          • James Dean

            I don’t see why he she is wrong your 11? what is sex oh wait you dont know that is

            • Audrey Hepburn

              oooh great burn… not. wtf.

            • Meme

              I’m 12. I know what it is, how it works, and what happens after.

          • Meme

            Grace, I am very sorry you lost your sibling. But technically, and I mean this in no way to be rude, if your dead sibling wasn’t alive at birth, I believe that counts for you to have 9 siblings. Again, I mean this in the nicest way possible! I’m just saying, technically, you have 9 siblings.

        • sul

          that’s not true, birth doesn’t mark humanity, it is a person even before birth, which you should think about it

      • Jaheim Brown

        I truly have to agree. the fetus can FEEL pain…How would all you heartless people feel if someone killed you against your will and you had plans for your life…OH WAIT…YOU’RE DEAD…YOU CAN’T FEEL. That’s like killing someone who’s blind folded and can’t hear or speak for themselves. It’s not right. If you agree like this post if you dont like the other guy I REALLY DON’T CARE

        • Meme

          There isn’t the part of the brain that interprets pain during the legal abortion time.

    • sul

      but the baby is not the woman’s body, hence she is committing murder

  • Rebekah Berthold

    The fetus, if it cannot survive outside of the mother’s body, is not scientifically, or lawfully, a person. The fetus is a part of the mother’s body, and she has the choice to do what she thinks is right.

    • Hannah Robinson

      So you are saying that it is not a person because it is dependent on the mother and cannot survive on its own. Well what about people who are being kept alive by machines are that breathing for them? Are they any less human because the are dependent on that machine for life?

      • Yeah. I’m not buying this argument. A fetus has rights at some point. When do a fetus’ rights vest? When are they equal to the mothers?

        The SCOTUS (Roe v. Wade) says that in the:

        1st trimester a woman’s doctor gets to make the call;

        2nd trimester the state may regulate (i.e. states may promote their interests in the mother’s health by regulating abortion procedures related to the health of the mother); and

        3rd trimester states can prohibit abortion (i.e. states may promote their interests in the potentiality of human life by regulating or even prohibiting abortion, except when necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother).

        See: http://www.lawnix.com/cases/roe-wade.html (great summary of the case).

    • Swamp

      Before its a fetus it’s an embryo. An embryo is an unborn offspring. Offspring is a person’s child. Therefore, before it’s even a fetus it is considered a child. She has a choice whether or not to kill the child just as everyone has the choice to murder their neighbor. Just because you have a choice doesn’t make it justified. And those who say it’s my body I can do what I want; well it isn’t your life that’s being taken when you can always have a child and put it up for adoption.

      • Jessica

        I totally agree with you!

      • Meme

        The mother could die.
        The mother could be traumatized by it.
        The child could have a life equal to hell.
        But you don’t care, do you?
        You just want that baby born, you don’t care what happens after. If you cared what happens after, then you’d adopt a ton of kids.

    • Grace

      No! she doesn’t! shes killing the kid! im 11 and i see it clearer than an adult! ill pray for you.

      • Sofia Douglas

        Who says you see it clearer? It’s an opinion kid.

        • anonymous

          It’s not an opinion, it’s objective. you’re either killing a baby or your not.

          • yandere chan

            exactly… and for all of you- you honestly can’t say someone is wrong. it’s opinions. the only thing that you can do is speak out about it.. not take it out on each other.. like really, grow up.

          • stomachaches

            It’s opinion to believe whether it’s morally wrong or not. You might not realize this, but…not everyone agrees with you! And if you made abortion illegal, you’d be oppressing millions of women. Philosophies vary from person to person. And I don’t understand why you are using the word “baby” because that doesn’t apply to this situation. The definition of “baby” is: “a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.” or “a young woman or a person with whom one is having a romantic relationship (often as a form of address).”
            Neither of those definitions fit, because we’re dealing with an unborn fetus or embryo. These two organisms are completely physically reliant on the pregnant woman, unlike a baby, which can be taken care of by anyone, which is why adoption can exist.

    • Morgan Biagioni

      The argument of viability is ridiculous to me. I’m pretty sure that a newborn baby is not viable if it’s not constantly kept warm, fed, etc. Honestly a 5-year-old is not viable. So when people say it’s okay to kill fetuses because they’re not viable, are they also advocating the murder of newborns and five-year-olds, since they aren’t viable either? Also many of the fetuses aborted would be able to survive if born prematurely. Obviously not all of them, but many. Like the article said – in one room, doctors are saving a prematurely born child, which in the other they are killing one of the same age.

      Also, no, the fetus is separate from the mother’s body. From the moment of conception the fetus has a completely different set of DNA which uniquely differentiates itself from its mother. Its DNA code is DIFFERENT from its mother’s, insinuating that it is NOT a part of its mother’s body anymore. The location of the baby has nothing to do with it. Just because I live in a house, does not mean I am part of the house…

      • stomachaches

        A 5-year-old is physically viable. It does not use a woman’s body as a vessel. The fetus is not separate from the pregnant woman’s body since it COMPLETELY relies on her. Pregnancy is actually often compared to a parasitic relationship.

      • Darby the Meme

        The fetus is NOT seperate from the mother’s body, due to it being connected to the placenta, which is, you know, the mother’s body!

        • sul

          so then siamese twins are only one person according to your logic

          • Darby the Meme

            I was arguing about viability. Not siamese twins.

        • Ed Boumil

          To play devil’s advocate the placenta is actually derived from the embryo, not the mother. It is part of the trophectoderm which separates from the zygote early on in development.

    • sul

      The fetus, even if it cannot survive outside of the mother’s body, is scientifically a person. A fetus is not part of a woman’s body, since it’s forming independently from the mother. Umbilical cords are actually a simple connection, not an extension of a mother. So clearly, there’s no truth in your statement.

  • Jaheim Brown

    Everyone who says abortion is right imagine yourself being aborted.

    • troll

      kk

      • troll me

        that was tasty

    • Sofia Douglas

      Done.

    • Meme

      Ooh, that was fun!

    • stomachaches

      So you would force yourself upon your mother even if you were unwanted and were disrupting her legal and bodily rights? You’d literally FORCE YOURSELF upon your mother, even if she didn’t want that? I’d personally let my mother make that decision for herself, rather than making it for her.

      • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

        i had i nightmare about being aborted

        • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

          gee it was scary!
          i was glad to wake up.
          but the babies CAN’T just wake up and be fine

    • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

      BURN MON!

  • Neehar

    Ok this article is absolute BS. The first fallacy is that killing is wrong. There is a such thing a justified killing: By denying the fetus the opportunity to live in the real world, you are essentially killing it. However, consider the alternate scenario: The baby is raised in an environment in which it is not wanted nor is likely to lead good life. Isn’t it better for the potential person to not have to go through this, and therefore, the killing of them when they are a fetus is better (what’s the point of living, if your life is going to be horrible and hopeless [just their being alive does not mean that their existence has a meaning]?). Another fallacy is the whole religion BS. I hate when people say it is a sin and crime against god– it caters to only religious people and does not stand as a valid form of logic (it’s just a form of deference to the bible/god… who says the bible is always correct (is slavery also good, then?)?

    • anonymous

      you need Jesus.

      • pro-abortionist

        you need logic

        • sul

          so do you

        • sul

          even your username is disgusting

    • Jessica

      If the “parent” cant take care of the baby ADOPTION…many parents who are willing to give this baby hope and meaning to their life don’t they deserve a chance. Killing the baby is giving those parents who want and deserve it nothing. The baby has a right to live. If you cant keep the poor innocent child you created then give it up for adoption don’t treat it like crap for the choices you made. It didn’t ask to be made.

      • Darby the Meme

        That requires the mother to carry the child until it’s born, going through pain that could be avoided with an abortion. Many women will also experience some form of postpartum mental illness, and they could have prevented that with – oh, surprise!- an abortion. True, it didn’t ask to be made, but the mother might not have asked for it to be made. The parents who can’t have the baby? There are thousands of kids in the system for them to adopt, so why does it have to be the baby that might be aborted? An abortion can cost from $300-$950, but an adoption can cost from $10,000-$25,000!

        • sul

          This is so wrong on so many levels. The pain the mother endures is nothing comparable to the damage caused to the mother. Her body loses strength, plus life years, and even if postpartum depression is avoided, many women still get depressed because of – you guessed it – abortion. If the parents didn’t want the baby, they didn’t have to have sex, plain and simple.

          • Darby the Meme

            Condoms break, and don’t always work. Neither does birth control. Accidents happen, and if protection doesn’t work, there’s nothing they can do. They used protection, what more do you want.

            • sul

              Abstinence is 100% secure, they could try that.

              • Darby the Meme

                You can’t be sure that everyone is never going to have sex, because then we’d never advance as a race.

                • sul

                  But you can be preparing yourself beforehand, therefore the likelihood of having an unwanted pregnancy is reduced.

    • charlie

      okay so I just had to say that we don’t know if their life will be horrible and full of pain or not but it’s not our place to make the decision of whether they get to experience life or not. they could have a wonderful life, they could do anything. we don’t know. America stands for freedom, the freedom to choose your life and what you do with it, not have it chosen for you before you get a say. though I am a Christian, I do agree that the argument that abortion is a sin only applies to those who are religious. (I would go into the whole slavery thing but then I would end up writing a book size comment as it is something I myself have struggled with as a Bible-believing Christian)

  • Elizabeth

    I do agree with all of this. If someone doesnt want a child, they shouldnt have helped make it.

    • sydney

      what about rape?

      • Mr. Hailes

        The child can be put up for adoption legally, I dont know how since I barely look into adoption and anything similar.

        • Meme

          What if the woman can’t survive the pregnancy?

          • Mr. Hailes

            I’m guessing it’s automatically put into an adoption care? Some bullsniz, I don’t know.

            • Meme

              No, what I mean is, what if the woman physically can’t survive the whole pregnancy? What if she was pregnant up to, lets say, 6 months, and dies? Honestly, I think it’d be ok to have an abortion if you can’t survive the whole pregnancy. If my grandma had gotten pregnant a third time and was denied an abortion, I would never have met her.

      • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

        it’s called chastidie belt

    • stomachaches

      You can’t expect people to have non-procreative sex. That is completely unreasonable. Non-procreative sex happens ALL THE TIME.

      You are also saying that “if someone doesn’t want an STD, they shouldn’t have sex at all.”
      Don’t be an idiot.

    • Nicole Bowen

      Yes, because rape and incest victims mean to have a child.
      Because a woman and her husband using contraceptives meant to have that child.
      Because the woman discovering her child will be born with a severe disorder meant to have that child.
      Please.

  • Grace

    I CRIED when I read this. I’m only 11, and I find abortion horrifying. I can’t believe adults, supposed to be more mature, don’t agree. A child is a BLESSING. I have 10 siblings and one of them was a stillborn with a heart defect. I despise people who’ve had abortions, but I pray for them.

    • brook yitbarek

      You are mature from the inside even if your 11 Grace. What adults are doing is a sin. Continue your belief, don’t be tricked.

      • troll

        you are child touching pedophile

        • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

          your a dirty rotten sea monkey

        • brook yitbarek

          you’re nothing but a person whose life is only worth trolling on the internet.

      • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

        right

    • Sofia Douglas

      Women have a right to do what they want with their bodies. There are many different scenarios of pregnancy that you don’t know of. Plus, we cannot call the USA a country with true gender equality if abortion is illegal. I admire how mature you are but there is a lot you don’t understand. Although I despise late abortions, to me abortion is ok. And a child is not always a blessing. Maybe to you it is, but for me it’s another mouth to feed. This world is already overpopulated, that’s why global warming, famine, pollution, shortage of water, ozone depletion, extinction of animals, and forest depletion are big problems today. They weren’t 200 years ago, because there weren’t that many people back then as there is now. Earth was not meant to hold 7 billion people. Overpopulation will eventually bring mankind to extinction.

      • Abdullah Salih

        “Plus, we cannot call the USA a country with true gender equality if abortion is illegal”

        There’s no gender equality in the US, anyway. Men in the US can’t get pregnant and have abortions.

        • Sofia Douglas

          You idiot, men can’t get pregnant because they aren’t physically able too! But that doesn’t mean that men and women aren’t equeal.

          • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

            Calling people idiots isn’t gonna make them listen……?

      • Mr. Hailes

        Are you stupid? There are reasons why NASA are trying to find planet capable to sustain life forms. Then they colonize the planets…buts that’s for the future generation.

        • Sofia Douglas

          I never said extinction was going to happen soon, but it will come eventually.

        • John

          i hope they find one soon… I’m the first to book a trip to get away from these people.

      • Colton

        That’s not true. Global warming is our galactic position, famine is because of communism having food cost too much, pollution is because people don’t care, there isn’t a shortage of water except places in Africa and South America where people are working on building wells, Ozone is important but it’s not because of the population,
        extinction of animals is because of people killing them illegally and the animals not mating properly because of the illegal killing, forest depletion is because of idiots not putting the camp fire out.

        • Colton

          Also Earth was meant to hold that many people if it wasn’t we would already be extinct.

          • Sofia Douglas

            You idiot. We are slowly going extinct but people aren’t realising it! And when did communism have anything to do with this? Only a few countries have comunism. This world wasnt meant to hold this many people, but it could before becacause there was a smaller population of people, but now there is way too many people. Open your eyes son, because sooner or later, you’ll realise I was right.

            • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

              And you’ll be sure to see it if you’re planning to stick around for a few trillion years..

          • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

            yea lol

      • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

        Earth was meant to hold lots. did you know that if everyone in the world took up 1 square foot, there would be trillions of miles left

      • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

        Have you ever head of the thing that makes people leave so there is no overpopulation? It’s sad but a good thing too. its called “death”

      • Sayge Ackerman

        You talk about true gender equality but do you realize that the biological fathers of unborn children have absolutely no say or power in whether or not the woman can kill their baby?

        • Meme

          You realize that plenty of men don’t want to be forced to be a father?

    • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

      hey thats cool im 12 and i couldnt agree more

    • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

      yeah

      • Tristan

        tots to dat meh friend

    • Nicole Bowen

      You’re too young to possibly understand. Hell, you cannot possibly conceive the situation of a mother who cannot afford to have a child, cannot conceive the situation where you were raped and you would rather die then give birth to a monster, you cannot even possibly conceive the facts that go into the hard decision of abortion because you haven’t even gone through puberty yet. Do not try to play at maturity when you are anything but mature. Die down your arrogance and realize you are a child playing at an adult’s issue. You cannot understand. There is no way until you are older.

      • John

        I agree with all of your statements, but its useless to fight on these comments as it is clearly full of incompetent pre pubescent children who have no idea what the real world is like.

    • Nicole Bowen

      Rude with a point. I don’t even know why an 11 year old is even allowed on the computer let alone to look up issues on abortion.

  • brook yitbarek

    I’m a little to late, but you said it would be fine if you aborted a child in the case of rape. How can two wrongs make a right. Raped or not, the child will have feelings, it can feel pain, and it has emotions. A raped woman has to raise her child, but protect herself from future rape.

    • hohoho

      well rodney young is not wrong- when you are rapped the give a rape kit. they can determine if you are pregnant or not. you can’t blame a woman for not wanting to raise a child that she might only ever see as the product of her rape.. besides- she already traumatized enough as it is.

      • brook yitbarek

        The child didn’t choose to be the product of rape bro. Why should he be punished for the sin of a rapist. You say her tramatuize is bad enough, but trust me everything is temporary. Ending a life for something temporary is stupid and nonsense. How would you like it if you were killed because of a similar reason.

        • Darby the Meme

          Everything is temporary.
          Do you know how inconsiderate that is? Would you say that to a veteran with PTSD? Would you say that to a patient with a terminal illness? Would you say that to your mother, if she was raped and taken advantage of?

      • brook yitbarek

        of course she’s traumatized by the event, but you should know by now that everything is temporary.

  • A

    Everyone here who is old enough to adopt and is against abortion, your willing to adopt that child your fighting for right? Your ready to open your home up and give that child a better life right? All you care about is the child being born but what about afterwards? There are already so many children in foster and up for adoption. Could you imagine the amount of babies being born if abortion was illegal? Think of the long term affect for future generations. It would be the downfall of us all. No more middle class, Just super super wealthy and poverty. I have one child right now. If some accident happened, I could not imagine having another. I would never be a stable, paying member to society. Going to school full time, working full time and two kids? There’s no way. I would HAVE to live off the government. And i’m just one example, there are millions of women in my same boat. I am appalled at the women here letting someone else tell you what to do with yourself and your life. Someone taking away your voice. Yes if you would like to, be against it, and have as many babies as you want! If you can afford it, but please don’t be apart of something that will take away my rights. So I myself as a woman can work hard and get myself ahead to have the same bank account as you. I am trying to break the poverty cycle in my family, As well as many other women like myself. Also if your going to sit there and say you are against abortion, I better see you standing in the adoption line. Or…….. Give me damn money so I can give my children a great life.

    • ravan

      Think about what you said? Some people want kids but cant have them so instead of abortion give them up to someone who wants them instead of killing and innocent life because you cant be safe or keep your legs close.

      • Meme

        What they’re asking is if you don’t want people to abort adn you want the child put up for adoption, are you willing to take in a child or children from adoption?

      • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

        my dad says scream as loud as you can and call people “HELP!!! HE’S TRYING TO RAPE!!!” and squirm

    • Sayge Ackerman

      Or you could earn the money yourself to provide for the child you brought into this world through the choices you made 🙂 just a thought

      • Sayge Ackerman

        FYI having a great life doesn’t depend solely on wealth. I have a family of six, and we scape by, but I wouldn’t trade it for being rich any day because it taught me a lot and how to not depend on money and things for happiness.

      • Meme

        “Choices you made.”
        Really?
        You realize not everyone chose to have a child. They could’ve been raped!

  • ravan

    Think about what you said? Some people want kids but cant have them so instead of abortion give them up to someone who wants them instead of killing and innocent life because you cant be safe or keep your legs close. Its not hard maybe if u be safe and not sleep with ever person that comes in your life. I understand we all have a different view but this is mine so get over it and its really not hard to be safe.

    • Meme

      You realise there’s a thing called “unconsensual sex,” right?

      • Sayge Ackerman

        Rape, or u consensual sex, accounts for less than 1% of all abortions in the U.S., so your slim point isn’t going to get you far.

    • Nicole Bowen

      Yes, because I am going to go through a grueling, physical, mental, emotional, and financial hell, AND potentially life-threatening procedure that will change my body forever just so some other person can have my baby that I never wanted in the first place. There are enough kids being put up for adoption. it’d be best if there were none.

      • Bearer of Truth

        So basically your convenience is more important than an innocent life? Wow. And you’re saying there should be no children up for adoption so we should just kill all of them because you think they’re lives are worthless? Maybe you should get your morals straight and maybe think about others for once because honey the world doesn’t revolve around you

        • Bearer of Truth

          *their lives

        • Meme

          They never said their lives were worthless. What they’re trying to say (I think) is that no child should have to stay in the system, with nobody adopting them.

        • John

          YES… We have done this for thousands of years. The rich do it, the church did it for hundreds of years. People do whats best for them, and in this case its “killing” an unborn child which has no life in the first place. When being pregnant… It is ALL about you. People don’t think of how others feel if they have or don’t have the child, thats just ridiculous. The only people getting offended are people similar to you, even the unborn baby doesn’t mind as its not ALIVE and CONSCIOUS. By your logic, we would need to not kill any life form on this planet for food to survive and instead just think about those said life forms and end up dead yourself.

  • Meme

    Buddy, ever heard of rape?

    • presten

      ok if you do get raped give it to adoption if your not gonna love it someone else will you heartless basterd

      • stomachaches

        So, after a woman is violently sexually assaulted, losing control over her body, she should now sacrifice and lose control over her body all over again just for the sake of an unborn fetus? Why should your philosophical rights that you believe this embryo or fetus has overrule the rights of a legal citizen? So a woman has to give up her body completely just for an embryo that now suddenly is more important than her, even thought that embryo is not a legal citizen, doesn’t have thought or emotional process, doesn’t have the ability to perceive pain (it is physically impossible to actually be able to perceive pain if you don’t have a brain cortex. There’s nowhere to process any sort of touch – whether it’s pleasure or pain or neutral) while this woman does. Why are you prioritizing this embryo over the millions of orphans that are currently living in poverty, that are starving, that don’t have a place to call home? You can call yourself “Pro-Life” when you start caring more about the born children that are currently living extremely low standard lives. It’s spelled “bastard” by the way.

        • Meme

          And another thing to add to this, is that 20% of women will suffer from some form of post-partum mental illness.

        • Sayge Ackerman

          Having an abortion isn’t going to erase the pain away, it’s just putting yourself through another traumatic experience. It’s more violent than a birth, considering the baby dies, given the death penalty for something their father did. Also, not that you care, but rape accounts for less than one percent of causes for abortion. Just 7% from medical reasons, which includes the child diagnosed to likely have a mental or physical disorder. If you have a 10 year old child and one day they got in an accident and now they have a disability, would you still think that’s a good reason to end their lives? The thing that astounds me the most, is that 92% of abortions are done for purely elective reasons, which means a healthy mother ends the life of a healthy unborn child, “justifiable” by virtually any excuse she can fathom. I’m sick of people being so selfish they can’t handle the prospect of thinking about someone else’s well-being for once, especially when it’s their own child conceived from choices they made and got themselves into. When you bring a life into the world, you do owe them something. The right to live, should be a priority.

      • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

        WHAT YOU SAID!! except not so mean

      • georgia

        foster homes have been claimed a form of child abuse due to the life that the child gets growing up in one. Living in the thought of a baby is born put up for adoption and adopted into a loving family is sadly, a fantasy because it is not often things turn out that way.

    • Ava

      people who murder an innocent life are just as selfish and disgusting if not more than the person who raped them

      • Meme

        What if the person who was raped might not make it through the pregnancy?

        • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

          I would rather die than kill an innocent little blob of cuteness

          • John

            What the f*ck? Its not even developed yet, not alive yet. Why would you kill yourself for an unborn child that isn’t alive yet. Hopefully your life is not that pathetic. We kill thousands of life forms per day, maybe we should all take our lives to save them. Don’t give me this “gods will” f*cking bs either.

            • sul

              It is alive, you need to learn science dude, and God’s will is not bs, many rather think like that to soften their guilty conscience

              • John

                People who resort to “God” as an answer to anything is too brain dead to think of actual answers. Ok, and even if we do kill this life form, it is not conscious therefore it doesn’t know what the f*ck is going on.

                • sul

                  It’s not just resorting to God, it is thinking about the things that are actually inexplicable. Scientists have proven that fetuses are more conscious about their surroundings than what people think, and even though it’s nowhere bear as close to its senses as a baby it still feels, hears and has certain life structures.

                  • John

                    Aw well, millions of life forms that can feel die per day… This topic is about it being illegal. Abortion isn’t right, but it shouldn’t be illegal.

                • sul

                  That doesn’t mean it’s right, and in that case many scientists are brain dead.

            • Beckson Franacchi

              It IS alive at the moment of conception. I’m a physician and every single medical textbook teaches that. You need to get educated.

            • Kat

              A bacteria is living, correct? A bacteria is ONE cell. A zygote is also one cell, like it or on not, the baby is living as soon as the egg is fertilized. This is freshman biology… Be grateful your mother did not abort you…

      • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

        IKR

  • silver orland

    Your hypocrisy is unbearable. There are so many logical fallacies and errors.

    It is none of our business whether a human has rights? It is none of our business if we slowly become like the Nazis? Mostly I take issue with your argument that, “It is our problem, no on elses. Quit thinking about yourselves.” Do you not realize you are only thinking about YOURSELF? Think about your child for once and quit being so selfish an abortion, by defintion, is a matter between a mother AND her child. You can’t just think about yourself in this case. In fact, the only reason you were able to be such a hypocrite is because your mom took a minute to think about you and NOT get an abortion. Think about it. If your mom got an abortion, would you be so happily promoting it now?

    Also, “most teens don’t regret it.” A lot of murderers had no regrets. Few Nazis had regrets. What is your point? It is bad regardless of if they feel bad. If they are desensitized to murder, than you should reconsider using them to justify your side. It is like saying, “the guy selling meth had no regrets, so we should legalize meth.” Think about for a second.

    • stomachaches

      You’re comparing an embryo or fetus to a child. That is your opinion. When you believe personhood to begin for a fetus is entirely your opinion. Your CHOICE. I will respect your opinion, just like you should respect mine. No one is forcing you to get an abortion. No one is oppressing you. If abortion was made illegal, there would be intense oppression among women’s rights.

      A mother does not have a physical obligation to a child. A child is a completely separate, individual person that can survive on their own. A fetus/embryo is completely reliant on the pregnant woman, using her body as a vessel, if you will. It relies on her body to function. If she decides that she doesn’t want to give up her body for this purpose, then who honestly cares? Stop impeding on her rights with your own philosophies. We already have 520,000 orphans (just in the US) waiting to be adopted within the adoption and foster care system. Who’s going to adopt these kids that are already there? What’s going to happen to this number if abortion became illegal? It’s going to skyrocket. Poverty will also skyrocket, and the standard of living will go down.

      And no one is promoting abortion. People are trying to protect the right to get a professional operation if one feels the need to do so. To be completely honest, if I knew my mother did not want me, and I was going to be a giant, unwanted burden that she was going to be forced in to, then I would not force myself on her.

      Abortion is already an extremely emotionally and personal thing. The woman going through the situation is going to know what’s best for her. If she wants to prioritize the future of the fetus, that’s totally fine. If she wants to prioritize her future, that’s also fine. On the pro-choice side, no one is judging anyone, other than the people who want to force their own religious philosophies on others. Don’t forcefully take away the right and choice of this woman, this citizen. The fetus doesn’t even have legal citizenship. The 14th amendment states that a citizen is someone who is BORN or naturalized in the United States. The rights you believe a fetus to have DOES NOT overrule the legal rights of a woman.

      If we don’t have control over our own bodies, as functioning, independent, individuals, are we really free?

  • rane

    hi i am 12, i think it depends on: what age you are, how you got pregnant, and what are the odds if you have this baby.

    • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

      I think its horrible!

  • RocketCorn17 the rocketer

    stop they are alive and God sent them here for a reason. and that reason was not to be brutally murdered before birth!

    • Darby the Meme

      If God sent babies, then why does he give women miscarriages?

      • John

        Cause these type of people believe in whatever fairy tale they come across.

  • Danita Carter

    Abortion is murdered and it shouldn’t be used on babies that hasn’t even had the chance to live their own life yet. The only reason abortion should be used is for purposes for rape only. Abortion is killing and killing is a sin so this should not be done.

    • Darby the Meme

      So, since it’s a sin, you’re using religion on your side. Ok. And since most of the people in these comments who are using religion on their side are using the Bible, I’ll use that as well.

      Are you for rape victims having to marry their rapists? (Deuteronomy 22:28–29)
      If God is so loving, why did he regret making the human race? (Genesis 6:6)
      Do you think that women have no control over their body, but their husband has control over them? (I Corinthians 7:4)
      Do you not want women to teach, or have any authority over a man? (1 Timothy 2:12)
      Do you believe that if anyone does ANYTHING on a Sunday, they should be put to death? (Exodus 35:2)

      These are only a few of the things that the Bible says. Are you for these? Will you follow through with these? Because you can’t just cherry-pick the verses you’re going to follow. Either follow the Bible, or don’t follow it.

      • sul

        I’ll answer you, agnostic/atheist basher, by stating what are the reasons for each verse.

        The first was made to protect the virgin girl. Even if she was engaged to someone else, most likely the betrothed would reject her. Plus, virgin men were supposed to marry virgin women only, which protected them from diseases and unwanted pregnancies. You may say this would make her miserable, but it’s been proven that arranged marriages work better. Plus, this would discourage rapists.

        He regretted their attitude, just as he regrets yours. This doesn’t mean he doesn’t love the human race.

        You purposely left out the fact that it also says that the wife has control over her husband’s body, so this is an equitable agreement, meaning that they should not seek anyone else’s passionate attraction but their own.

        The women teaching here are not teaching in public like the man does, referring to religious teaching. Women were to serve in another way.

        This was under the mosaic law, which has long been discontinued. The fact it’s being stated still gives an insight over the society of the Hebrews, just to see how it was like to serve under God.

        • Darby the Meme

          “Women were to serve in another way.” I’m done.

          • sul

            Yeah, you are, sorry to say so

            • Darby the Meme

              The Bible is full of hate, when are you going to realize that?

              • sul

                Hatred towards evil things, not towards humanity. It’s bigoted mentality that cannot make people see the pillars of truth in it; they just focus on what seems to be evil and wrong.

    • adam

      So you’re saying that its better for a child to be dead than live in families that can’t afford them or raise them right? You would rather kill an innocent child and deprive it of its right to life than let it grow up because it “increases problems”…? That’s barbaric.

  • sul

    What absence of evidence means is that there’s no real sense in a reasoning or idea, but this doesn’t apply to God because by having an open mind about His existence you can reason why some things work the way they do and it makes sense.

    While believing in God doesn’t automatically make you a nicer person, it is most likely that this is the consequence rather than just assuming your own morals. Even though Hitler professed the Catholic religion, he really was not an energetic member and in fact many of his collaborators were atheists, including Joseph Goebbels and Martin Bormann. Some Muslims have a completely different ideology which concerns them in killing innocent people, which doesn’t really concern every single Muslim. You may not kill spiders but if you kill unborn children, then I really wouldn’t know what to say.

    • Darby the Meme

      Hitler said that the Holocaust was something God told him to do.

      • sul

        Well, does that mean he was right?

    • Darby the Meme

      If absence of evidence means there’s no real sense in the reasoning, then why is the reasoning of God excluded from it?

    • Ed Boumil

      If this is really about God, and abortion is evil in his eyes, then why does god allow stillbirths? Why are children born to drug addicts and improverished 3rd world rape victims that cannot afford to feed their kids?

      I’ve never participated in an abortion, however I do not believe in the soul. And from a biological standpoint the early fetal brain is not developed nor wired in the way a conscious, later term fetus is. It is not conscious. Our existence is the culmination of experiences, of memories, these define our perspectives and reactions. An early term fetus is nothing more than chemical reactions, potential energy. I see no reason why it should be totally illegal to abort it. I don’t think anyone who has an abortion feels good about it, but 1) who am I to judge, and 2) I am sure there are circumstances in which one would feel stuck between a rock and a hard place and decide it is the best option for their life.

      “God because by having an open mind about His existence you can reason why some things work the way they do”
      no need to, we have science for that. Slapping god on an explanation is the lazy way out.

      • sul

        Stillbirths are a consequence of sin, and since we’re imperfect we get sick, die, and commit evil things.

        An early fetal brain may not be conscious, but this doesn’t mean it’s not living. It is developing, but it will soon obtain the necessary elements to survive. An early term fetus is more than a chemical reaction, as there’s lots of changes occurring by the minute.

        Obviously not all circumstances are similar, but that’s why there’s different solutions to everything. Telling someone the reasons why abortion is wrong in their case is not judging, as sometimes these women miss on diverse opportunities to improve their condition without having to arrive to something so radical. This is but an excuse used by women who don’t want to be told what to do, in a negative light.

        So science has finally explained why we’re here, how we got here, why we have feelings, etc. It’s not simply about saying God did this or that, but not all the answers can be explained by science alone. If you think otherwise that shows your materialistic mentality, which to me is the saddest way to live of all.

        • sul

          God of the gaps? this is more than just attributing the unknown to an Almighty being. Many of life’s details are still incomprehensible to men, such as why the woman’s body doesn’t reject the small forming fetus.

          We evolved? Sorry, but the so-called proof of evolution is modified to meet the criteria of the evolutionists; i.e., it’s just a fairy tale for adults. The so-called evolutionary fossils are shown to not have a direct correlation of “evolving” fossils. To say they’re “snapshots in history” is wishful thinking at its worst.

          “to say stillbirths are a consequence of sin is disgusting, that baby didn’t even have the chance to sin”. It’s not a specific sin of the baby nor it is a causation of God that causes its death, but the imperfection in us. It’s easy to say that God is wicked and evil for letting tragedies happen, but the thing is that many times evil is caused by human hands. If God controlled our every movement, then free will would not exist. As for things out of human control, like climate disasters and diseases, those things are the consequences of our contaminated planet, corrupted by many things, germs, bacteria, Earth’s movements, etc. The fact that God doesn’t interfere to protect people is because this shows how humans cannot sustain themselves without him; there’s more to this than what meets the eye.

          Why should there be a why? Well, it doesn’t make sense to do something just because.

          “When you analyze the vastness of existence, it’s statistically impossible life wouldn’t pop up by chance somewhere.” Actually the contrary is true; it’s statistically impossible life would pop up by chance somewhere, since even though life is vast, it supposedly derives from a single point. Like Francesco Redi’s experiment proved, life only comes from previous life.

          According to you words, you appreciate life’s intricacies enormously, yet you believe a fetus growing is like a virus. First, viruses are considered lifeless in any stage of their formation. Second, they are without any development in any way. I believe the real issue here is your own lack of appreciation for the real source of life.

          • Ed Boumil

            ” I believe the real issue here is your own lack of appreciation for the real source of life.”
            No I don’t, I think DNA is an amazing molecule 😉

            “Like Francesco Redi’s experiment proved, life only comes from previous life.”
            That’s incorrect analysis. Complex life only comes from previous complex life. It doesn’t take into account small incremental changes over time toward increasing complexity. Early life would need to be nothing more than self replicating genetic material, and this has been demonstrated (self-replicating RNA molecules in a test tube). In comparison, even simple life forms such as E. coli are VASTLY more complex than this. The issue with total replication is it takes billions of years to occur. Interestingly we also find spontaneously formed organic molecules in meteorites all the time, and evidence for these molecules elsewhere, meaning the universe already contains the prerequisite materials for life all over. So yes, from a statistical standpoint, when dealing with the unfathomably massive size of our galaxy alone, in a sea of uncountable galaxies, it appears highly likely life would arise in at least one place spontaneously.

            “yet you believe a fetus growing is like a virus”
            But you mistake this for disdain. I have no grievances with viruses, pesky as they may be. However the definition of life is arbitrary.

            “the so-called proof of evolution is modified to meet the criteria of the evolutionists”
            It is not. It would be much easier to just attribute us to the direct creation of a conscious will, however mountains of evidence directly contradict the creationist dogma. There are plenty of christian evolutionary biologists, they just believe in a non-intervening god. Most counterarguments to evolution in reality demonstrate a lack of understanding of the principles, since evolution and belief in god are compatible. Come to Massachusetts, tons of Catholics here believe in evolution no problem.

            “Many of life’s details are still incomprehensible to men, such as why the woman’s body doesn’t reject the small forming fetus.”
            This is known to science. Fertilization and embryogenesis is a heavily studied field in medicine.

  • Tristan

    I believe Abortion is murder as well. Anyone of you guys for example memes Nicole or John or Darby the meme have been utterly dumbed and can not see through the smoke in your eyes. The argument on rape is very flawed. People have some common sense. If you get raped and have a baby then don’t want it, put it up for adoption. Saying us Christians are to immature and dumb to see that killing a baby is ok is maddening. When I read your post I see the devil behind the computer screen pouring his blood red ink into your heart. That it is the blood of all those murdered children. The ink that you will use to refute this argument and think you’ve beat us. Well you won’t. As long as I breath, I will fight for my cause. Even then I have millions of others that will take my place to end this.

    You Mr. John, how would you feel if you were stuck in your mother’s womb thinking that it’s a safe place to be. Nope, All of a sudden you begin to burn to death as the acid slowly decomposes your body, you attempt to escape by thrashing and violently jerking. Oh sure you may go crying back to your science for some phony excuse or your overused excuse of “But what about rape?”. Rape, people, is bad. But doing something else bad is even worse. Two wrongs don’t make a right. I want you to fight against the devil to not post some immature comment to my argument and think a second. Why? Why do you need to support the manslaughter of our kind. Why kill the innocent baby inside that womb. It’s called slavery. The baby has no right and the holder believes they can do what they want with it. Wait a second I thought that was outlawed? Well here is the devil’s sneaky way of lying. With every hate or “sciencey” post you support the downfall of the human race. I hope you enjoy your decision. If not then come out of that smoke that has blinded you. Come see with the rest of us what evil has been released into this world. I would like to thank Danita Carter, sul, Rocket Corn, Ava and many others that have attempted to change the hearts of others. On one last note. I believe abortion should be illegal unless in the emergency of the woman that puts her life at stake. Even then we should do our best, even if it means our lives, to help support life.

    Thank you for your time.

    • Tristan

      I honestly wonder, John how long it’s gonna take for you to insult Christianity in some way. I got the whole bible to back me up bud.

    • Darby the Meme

      “Meme” and I are the same person. And I’m leaving this page. Bye! See you in hell, and I won’t even say hi!

      • Tristan

        Wow to salty to fight back….

        I’m purty gud at dis.. : )

        • Tristan

          I don’t give two squishy grapes if you don’t say hi to me, I’ll be in heaven boyyie
          I’ll make sure I give you a greetings from up in heaven. =3

          • Darby the Meme

            Too salty*
            Good*
            Pretty*
            This*
            Greeting*
            And stripping women of their natural rights to their bodies? Yeah, that’ll definitely get you into heaven. God TOTALLY loves people who take away other’s rights. Guess that’s why all slave owners, people against women’s suffrage, and Donald Trump are going to heaven.

    • agreed.

    • Jane Doe

      There are so many children that are waiting to be adopted, but only a small percentage of them are ever adopted. There are around 400,000 kids children in foster care in just the U.S., and only about 9,000 kids are adopted every year internationally.

  • This is so true.

    • Elle

      It’s not.

  • I think the thing is, if you willingly had sex, and you’re all like “Oh, I have a baby I’m gonna get an abortion”, that’s wrong. In fact, that’s inhumane and unethical and you’d better feel bad. Because you brought it unto your self. If it’s rape, however, then it’s a completely different case.

    • georgia

      Do you honestly think a girl enjoys having to go through a abortion? risking her own health and pregnancy brings you closer to the unborn child you have mother instincts to it and it damages girls emotionally to have to make that choice. Everyone makes mistakes but being forced to throw away your future for it is wrong. If abortion is illegal then it should be illegal for the father to be out of the picture. It should be forced that the child is raised by both parents and reduce the chance that all you do is bring a kid into hell on earth.

  • yrhd

    i agrre

  • BOB

    ABORTION IS MURDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

  • BOBET

    yessss

  • Cyber

    This list is garbage. They use the constitution as an authority yet then just go and say a case decided by the Supreme Court was “wrong”. That’s the highest court in the land and the constitution gives them the power to decide things like that. Then it uses religion as a reason. Wouldn’t that also be unconstitutional? There shall be no law respecting religion? Ever heard of it? Even if you are prolife, this list is not a good representation your sides argument.

    • Darby the Meme

      Exactly, how could someone who isn’t part of the Supreme Court say “The highest law of the land, the people who interpret the thing that makes our country what it is, was W RO N G”

    • jack

      you clearly dont know jack s*** about murder

  • georgia

    It’s as if people think woman WANT to go through the process of
    killing their child they don’t want or can’t have. Pregnant woman
    automatically feel for the unborn baby, it is hard for women to go
    through an abortion and the responsibility falls on people to prevent
    pregnancy but there are people out there who take the risks and refuse
    responsibility but that does not mean everyone else should pay the price
    for it. Even when taking the pill you have a risk of pregnancy, and
    being on the pill counts as taking responsibility in preventing
    pregnancy and even though it would make pregnancy very rare to use a
    condom aswell, some people don’t. One thing about life is people make
    mistakes and they deserve to learn from them, not throw away their
    future. Personally i have birth control in the form of an IUD which has
    been proven to be as effective if not more effective than the condom.
    Theres also the fact that a unwanted child being born into a family that
    can not support it or with a mother that never wanted it can ruin the
    life of the child. Foster homes have horrible reputations and its not as
    often as people like to think that kids are adopted into families and
    live happily ever after, bringing a unwanted child into the over
    populated world as it is puts that child at risk for a life of pure
    struggle, babies should be welcomed into the world with their mother who
    sees them as a miracle and can provide for their child and put it
    through school and raise it into a life everyone deserves a chance at.
    Kids who are born into families that can’t afford to raise them right
    end up in the wrong path in life and go through very hard things.
    Abortion allows women to learn from mistakes they make it allows them to
    prevent a kid being raised in such poor conditions and lets the woman
    have a future regardless of making a mistake. Life is fragile and if a
    girl does not want a child there is no reason they need to keep it, the
    fetus is not a person at its stage, it can not survive without being
    inside its mother and it should not count as a individual person because
    the mother is the one that should call the shots in the first place. We
    live in a overpopulated world with crime and poverty all over, bringing
    unwanted children into the world and not being able to raise them right
    increases problems in many ways. If we make abortion illegal then what
    makes it unreasonable to put the responsibility on the male aswell. If
    we make it illegal and woman lose their future over having to give
    birth, the male should face the same consequences. If men were forced
    to be a father to their child like the mother has to be, making abortion
    illegal would be less popular than it is now. If abortion is illegal
    than making a kid grow up without both parents should be too.

    • adam

      So you’re saying that its better for a child to be dead than live in families that can’t afford them or raise them right? You would rather kill an innocent child and deprive it of its right to life than let it grow up because it “increases problems”…?

    • adam

      And just cause you don’t want the abortion does’t make it right or just. Its still murder whether you WANT to get it or not. The right to life supersedes the right to not be pregnant.

  • Jane Doe

    Okay but like, it’s actually not your business. No one should be dictating what a woman does to her own body. It’s her private life, and if she decides to make the decision to have an abortion, then that’s fine. It shouldn’t matter to the rest of us, as it doesn’t directly affect any of us. Also, when you say that the fetus has the right to live, you’re also saying that the woman, who was been living for a long time before the fetus has, doesn’t have the right to choose what to do with her body, but a fetus does? A fetus that has truly never lived? That has only been inside of the woman’s body, affecting the woman and changing her life?